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How to disagree better with Utah Governor Spencer Cox

ReThinking with Adam Grant, 3 November 2026. The author is the guest. The book comes up at 2 min 44 sec in.

Spencer Cox, Utah's 18th governor and the episode's guest, discusses his book throughout the conversation. Adam Grant introduces it in the opening. Cox explains that polarization is a symptom of unhealthy tribalism, describes the 'perception gap' concept from the Duke Polarization Lab, and says the most personally important part of the book is repairing relationships damaged by politics—including a fourfold increase in Americans who have lost a family member or close friend to political disagreement.

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