practicing the presence of God

CNLP 816 | The Brutal Reality of Pastoring: John Ortberg on Leadership Pain, the Introvert's Ministry Dilemma, and Dealing With the Job You Didn't Sign Up For

The Carey Nieuwhof Leadership Podcast, 9 July 2026. The book comes up at 58 min 24 sec in. Said by John Ortberg.

John Ortberg invokes this book while reflecting on how meaningful service to God requires no platform or prominence. He calls it one of the most helpful books for pursuing God in the last 500 years, and holds up its author — Brother Lawrence, a physically impaired kitchen worker — as proof that God pours grace through the most unlikely people, contrasting him with the long-forgotten popes and abbots of his era.

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